Thread:BastionMonk/@comment-23825763-20171210004640/@comment-33895154-20171211222708

Look, B.M., I get what your point is, but you are kidding yourself if you think that non-cloned dinosaurs, whether they have a mention or appear as a skeleton, don't deserve pages, do you? Let's form a discussion here, and I will reply here instead of your thread because my computer sucks when it has to do with Discussion Threads; sometimes my computer works, other times it doesn't.

"Not-Cloned Dinos are no part of the story"

Well, why do we have that Unidentified Finned Carnivore (Concavenator) as a picture/hologram have a page, and why do we have a Protoceratops page if, other than the comics the small ceratopsid appeared in, it appears as a skeleton? Oh yeah, and if (some) games are non-canon, then why do they have dinosaurs that have their own pages? This can be applied to comics, books, and even the two novels (the two of them have their own canon, but the two got retconned by the film series). So you only want to make pages that ONLY has to do with the film canon? While it excludes all games, comics, novels, books, etc.? We both know the answer to all what I just said; No.

"This is not just a DINOSAUR wiki, this is a JURASSIC PARK wiki. So, we only gather information that is unique to the Jurassic franchise."

Of course this is the Jurassic Park Wikia; if a dinosaur that absolutely has no mention/skeleton/appearance, then we don't add it in.

"We do not need an article for every dinosaur that is mentioned or appears on-screen as a picture or skeleton."

While assuming that all dinosaurs from all pages of games, comics, etc. is not needed and does not apply to film canon. I would use my first paragraph again for this. A dinosaur from a video game (take Camarasaurus from Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis, for example) has every right to have an article, even if it was not cloned (yet) in film canon. Just because it appeared in a Jurassic Park Game.

"Why? For the same reason, we do not need articles about just because they were mentioned once in a JP film."
 * Werner Heisenberg
 * the Turkey vulture
 * Fibula bone
 * Afganistan War
 * Evolution

Hahaha... Of course not, silly! They have nothing to do with Jurassic Park, so they don't need pages. I know they are examples of why this wiki shouldn't have Dinosaur Pages that do not appear, but these are just the opposite of what you are not viewing; dinos as skeletons do deserve to have pages.

"A character, species or concept has to be unique to the franchise to deserve an article. Dinosaurs that are cloned, or in the process of being cloned, are part of the franchise."

Well obviously, yeah. But those holograms, skeletons, and mentions are just simply Easter Eggs; by the way, the reader who reads this wiki's dinosaur would know a lot more about the dinosaur skeletons and mentions. Oh yeah, and maybe Concavenator, Kosmoceratops, and Protoceratops will appear in Jurassic World III, so if they do, then prepare articles for them. (Exactly like how Dilophosaurus appeared in Jurassic Park, but gets a hologram in Jurassic World, or like how Wu died in the JP Novel, but was mentioned in the TLW novel.)

"There is nothing to tell about non-cloned dinosaurs. There is literally nothing more to say about a not-cloned dino like Dromaeosaurus then this: "Alan Grant thought about it"."

Like I said, you are right in that dinos that appear as mentions or skeletons don't share much about the story, but they are just merely Easter Eggs; they share about 5% of the entire story, not 0%, so they at least deserve an article.

"It is more efficient to put that sentence in the Snakewater article."

But we don't have a Snakewater article, right? Later you might say that Snakewater is an unneeded article, like the Turkey Vulture, or the Afghanistan War, for the time being. Way later, in the future, I am in support of creating articles about prehistoric formations, like The Hell Creek (Tyrannosaurus Rex, Triceratops, Ankylosaurus, Edmontosaurus (partially), Pachycephalosaurus, Dakotaraptor, Quetzalcoatlus, Mosasaurus), The Two-Medicine (Albertosaurus, Gorgosaurus, Parasaurolophus, Styracosaurus, Euplocephalus, Dromaeosaurus, Troodon, Maiasaura), or even The Morrison (Allosaurus, Stegosaurus, Apatosaurus, Brachiosaurus, Ornitholestes, Camarasaurus), but you may need to reconsider your words. Hey, I know this is not Saurian, but just saying, so that people can have lots of knowledge of dinos.

"Maintaining an article costs a lot of time and energy. You have to make sure our 10-year old editors made no grammar errors. You have to keep removing incorrect categories. You have to keep removing claims like:


 * It was planned for Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis.
 * It is rumoured to appear in Jurassic World II.
 * It is rumoured to appear in Jurassic World: Evolution."

Well, creating a BIG article can drain a few hours of your day, but undoing an inappropriate edit is just as simple as a click. However, Pachyrhinosaurus, being rumored for JW:FK, may need to be considered as a Rumored Dinosaur for JW:FK. I will explain this in one of my future blog posts.

"Therefore, all dinosaurs that do make an appearance, but are not cloned, can be added to the article "List of dinosaurs mentioned in Jurassic Park media"."

I think you mean Alamosaurus, Crichtonsaurus, Crichtonpelta, Dromaeosaurus, and a few others to name. Some dinos aren't mentioned, but appear as skeletons, and an appearance as a skeleton is far greater than a mention (just like how a 20-second cameo of Mamenchisaurus and an 18-second cameo of Ceratosaurus is far greater than just a mention or a skeleton.

"==FAQ==

If a dinosaur's skeleton appears on-screen, isn't it part of the franchise?

No. ALL dinosaurs can appear as skeletons in any media. Therefore, a prehistoric skeleton is not unique to the franchise.

However, if a dinosaur carcass is seen on-screen, it is evidence that the species was cloned. So, in that case, it can appear."

Oh come on, I'm sure I explained that skeletons as Easter Eggs can have a small but Easter-Egg-ish vibe impact in a film a few times in my reply. Yes, skeletons can make an appearance in any franchise, but their articles are considered; what you are proposing is the opposite. And about that 'Dinosaur-Carcass'... yes, obviously, so maybe we should make a page of that Unidentified Ankylosaur Carcass in the beginning of the JW:FK trailer.

All right, so that sums up my reply, and if you feel offended by my post in any way, I am absolutely sorry and apologize immediately in advance. I have such high respect for you and I do not mean harm in any way. I just only agree with Logo8th in that any dinosaur that has any shape or form in the franchise deserves to have an article. That goes for Kosmoceratops.