Thread:Gsbr/@comment-6493791-20150603022258/@comment-2253059-20150606062327

Just as a preface, this is going to be a long message, so I apologize in advance for making you read all of this. However, I believe it is imperative I make this post because right now, I can see no other way of attempting to end this conflict.

To begin, I am fine with the articles saying “dropped.” I prefer “fell,” but I will not fight an objective decision on the matter nor an argument that refutes mine. I sought your permission because I didn’t want to be part of another edit war and that would have taken place if I reinserted my words without authoritative support.

Now I wanted to avoid doing what I am about to do now. I do not enjoy establishing I am better than others because it usually makes me look bad. Plus, despite my apology, my prior wrongdoing doesn’t put me in a good position to proclaim I am better than someone else. I do not want to attack another person because doing so will cause more conflict and more fighting, which I just so happen to have stated I’m trying to stop. And I certainly don’t want to drag you into a huge mess you’ll have to sort out, especially after the courtesy you’ve shown me. But like I said above, I don’t know how else I can tell you there is a problem on this Wikia and that problem needs to be dealt with. The problem in question is the editor BadlyBruisedMuse.

First of all, we already did have a debate on this issue. It occurred in a post on my message wall that I’ve since deleted, but I can link it to you.

http://jurassicpark.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29457

The debate ended after I posted a lengthy response to BadlyBruisedMuse’s points. His replied with this:

“Sorry didn't bother to read past the first sentence. It's incorrect.

Try again without being intellectually dishonest.”

That was it. No response, let alone refutation to anything I specifically said. No reason even provided for why my first sentence was incorrect. Just him telling me I was wrong because he said so and my arguments weren’t worth his time.

This is the first problem BadlyBruisedMuse presents to the Wikia; he typically hears nobody but himself and those who agree with him. After this debate, he would ignore all of my arguments, continue to tell me I was wrong, refuse to back up anything he said, and claim he already refuted everything I said, despite my 3,166 word post still waiting to hear a response from him. In fact, he ignores just about anything that proves him wrong. His recent post here is evidence of this:

“‘Dropped’ does not denote intent. Saying the pteranodon dropped Zara does not mean, by default, it must have dropped here on purpose. It does however provide an accurate depiction of what happened.”

As you can see from my post where I address this issue, I did not say “dropped” denotes intent from a grammatical perspective. I even stated “Grammatically speaking, simply saying Zara was ‘dropped’ by the Pteranodon does not mean it was intentional, it is neutral in regards to motive.” The problem with “dropped” is it is typically perceived (not actually is, perceived) as being intentional when used in a sentence and there are no contextual clues to imply otherwise. But whenever I bring up the issue of perception, he ignores it. The other argument he made does not refute the reasons favoring “fell;” the article is not being written through dialogue, it is not being written from the Pteranodon’s perspective. It is from a neutral, omnipresent perspective that would say “Zara fell,” not “I felled Zara.” He did not directly reply to my reasons for why “fell” is more accurate and provides no reasons of his own for why “dropped” is more accurate, he just says it is. A constructive and beneficial debate cannot occur when one of the participants refuses to acknowledge key arguments against him and won’t elaborate his own points, believing what he says is true just because he says it is true. These actions prevent progress from being made in a debate. And since he performs these actions, BadlyBruisedMuse stands in the way of progress; it’s his way or the highway and he will never admit to being wrong, no matter what evidence and arguments are used against him.

Regarding Collector1’s viewpoint on this matter, he did not receive impartial information. Two weeks after the debate, BadlyBruisedMuse gave him a biased, one-sided description of our argument. He did not provide the reasons for why I preferred “fell” and simply said “dropped” was more accurate, while not explaining why “dropped” was more accurate. I can’t speak for what Collector1 believes because I’m obviously not him, but when a person sees an argument from just one side, he’ll typically support that side. This occurred on the wall post you deleted. While the description I gave you here wasn’t 100% impartial, I did provide BadlyBruisedMuse’s arguments (in his own words) and explained why I believed “fell” was better.

Anyways, BadlyBruisedMuse’s debate tactics are problematic enough, but the primary problem he poses to this Wikia is he will not let things go until he gets his way. He has demonstrated he will continue conflicts to ensure things go his way and he will not learn from his past wrongdoing. Look at what he’s done here. He has posted on my message wall and is still attacking me. He’s still insulting me. He calls my request “ridiculous.” He points fingers and blames me for the fight we had on Collector1’s wall. These are provoking remarks that could cause another massive fight to break out. While I did mention his name before on here, I did not make any personal attacks against him. I only mentioned his argument and my goal in doing so was to offer you insight on our debate, which could bring this conflict to an end. I would not add “fell” to these articles if you did not give me permission to do so. In fact, since I haven’t received permission, I haven’t replaced “dropped” with my preferred word of choice. BadlyBruisedMuse came to my message wall, posted on my message wall (meaning I would be notified of his remarks), and insulted me to ensure the articles remained the way he wants them to be.

I know my perspective is biased, but to me, BadlyBruisedMuse’s apology to you does not seem genuine. He makes excuses and tries to justify what he did; he defends his post targeting me as a “way to respond to post (I) created and addressed (him) in - since (I) kept deleting (his).” He insists that my wrongdoing is worse than his, accusing me of uploading a personal picture of himself as my avatar and establishing his post was “at least was not a violation of (my) private life outside of wikia.” But my biased opinion aside, his recent actions indicate he does not believe he’s done anything wrong. You informed him “there will be problems” if he starts “attacking another user because they disagree with (him)” and he’s continuing to attack me.

I am aware there’s an irony in me attacking him for attacking me, accusing him of claiming he’s better than me while I try to show how I’m better than him, and potentially causing another fight to occur when I’m criticizing him for provoking me into another fight. But I’m out of options and I’m tired of this. BadlyBruisedMuse has just shown he will not leave me alone so long as I continue to openly disagree with him and try to have “fell” used instead of “dropped” in certain articles. And judging by our previous debate and his tactics, we have no chance of coming to an agreement on this issue. This is why something must be done about him. If he is not shown his actions are unacceptable, he will continue to push other editors around until the articles reflect only the way he wants them to be. When we had our first debate, I allowed his edits to stand until he stopped responding. I asked him to show me the same courtesy when we started arguing again and he refused. He could not let the articles exist the way they were if they were not written exactly the way he wanted them to be. It is not my jurisdiction to suggest what should be done about him; I am not an administrator. But he needs to realize he cannot conduct himself in the manner he does.

If BadlyBruisedMuse responds to this by making a post where he tries to justify what he’s done, attacks me for what I’ve apparently done, and attempts to prove I’m the one who needs to be dealt with, not him, I will not acknowledge it to prove this is about the problem he poses to the Wikia and not just an attack on him. I am not going to get into another fight with him; I want to ensure no more conflicts between us happen again. Establishing what he has done wrong is one of the few ways I can do this now. The only other thing I can do to end this conflict is to leave this Wikia and I’d prefer not to take that route. I want to help with the articles here. But if nothing can be done about BadlyBruisedMuse, then I’m afraid I’ll have to depart to ensure there will be no more fighting between us on the Jurassic Park Wikia.