Talk:Spinosaurus

To much real-life information
Yesterday I deleted a huge amount of content from this article. I don't like to erase the hard work of my fellow parkpedians, so I owe you all an explanation. This article had a very long section discussing the real-life Spinosaurus. I don't like that for two reasons. 1) This is a Jurassic Park wiki, the animal is well described (by far more compitent people) on Wikipedia. There is no need for us playing a dinosaur wiki. 2) Extra sections of text are just more sections than can be vandalised. Since most of us don't know all the in dept details of this animal, there is a huge chance some of us will see improvement as vandalism and the other way round. We can better stick with JP related information.

Ofcourse, when scientific facts need to be told to criticize or defend the animal's portrayal in Jurassic Park media, we have to give that information. BastionMonk (talk) 09:41, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Villainous?
How can a dinosaur that's just trying to stay alive be "villainous"? The Spinosaur isn't an antagonist either. If trying to feed yourself is villainous, than everyone on this wiki is either evil or dead. Which is certainly not the case. So in short Spinosaurus isn't an antagonist.


 * In some ways I agree, but in others i don't. It is just trying to survive, but If anything were trying to kill me, i would definitely vilify it.
 * The Velociraptors were definitely villains, Muldoon said they would kill for sport, not only for food. Whereas the adult T-Rex in the film would kill just for food (Gennaro). In the book, the adult T-rex never killed anyone, only the juvenile did. I just think you wanted to give a shameless plug for Evil Dead.. hehe.--YingYang.png My Name Is Tom (Talk / Edits) 17:12, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Lol. Guess your right.

In nature there is no good or evil, anything an animal does, no matter how cruel or disgusting it may seem, is simply an attempt to stay alive another day, which is something that Disney can't seem to get through their thick skulls (in fact, such thick skulls that I classify them as pachycephalosaurids). The Spinosaurus, having a brain the size of an apple, certainly could not be a villain. As for the raptors, possibly but even then I still wouldn't go as far as calling them "villainous".

I had another thinking. Is Jurassic Park films or novels can actually stated a creature as "villain"? Well, Dennis Nedry or Lewis Dodgson can be considered as evil, but how about the dinosaurs?

Would the editors of this article PLEASE stop calling the Spinosaurus villainous. Using words like "villainous" for non-human animals only has a place in Disney cartoons, and this certainly isn't Disney. Just because the Spinosaurus waited for the humans to notice it before it attacked doesn't make it villainous. It was probably just waiting until it was too late for the humans to escape, when it would have a guaranteed chance of getting a meal. Just because the raptors kill for pleasure doesn't make them villains either. In Africa, hippos kill more humans than any other animal in the region, often with little or no provocation from their victims. They very likely kill people just for the sake of killing, just like the raptors. But does that make them villains? No!

GIGANTIC MISTAKE DUMMY
In the article the text states that the Spinosauraus ate Paul Kirby which is wrong --Tyrant king 19:28, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Spinosaurus in Jurassic Park IV
Soon Jurassic Park IV will be released. I have a question, will the Spinosaurus from JP III or a new Spinosaurus appears in the film? --VenT-rexBrennenburg, 08:45, April 1st 2012.

I always imagined that the JP3 Spinosaurus died in the fire, but maybe a different one will appear. Come to think of it, how the hell was there a fire on the lake?216.185.69.65 14:30, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Ehem, ehem. the oil from the boat splitted on the water surface, when Dr. Grant shoots the flare, it burns the oil. And no, the Spinosaurus escaped the fire. It's not dead yet, unless an adult T-rex defeat it. Maybe there's only one Spinosaurus on Isla Sorna. --VenT-rexBrennenburg, 19:42, April 10th 2012 (UTC)

Another possibility
Perhaps the JP/// Spinosaurus wasn't on the InGen list due to the following reason: perhaps Spinosaurus wasn't planned for the park, but was created later, after the disaster on Isla Nublar. Perhaps the Troodons managed to escape their extinction on Nublar by swimming to Sorna, where they got so out of hand that InGen created Spinosaurus as a sort of dinosaur exterminator that they released onto the island, hoping it would wipe out the Troodons.216.185.69.65 14:39, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, the fact that the Spinosaurus is the largest predatory dinosaur on earth might help him to eliminate, or at least controlling the Troodon population in Isla Sorna, IF they made it that far (Isla Sorna is on the West of Isla Nublar, 87 miles if I'm correct). But what will happen if Troodon Pectinodon become the apex predator in that Island, where they will rewarded as "King of The Dinosaurs", more than T-Rex? --VenT-rexBrennenburg, 19:30, April 10th 2012 (UTC)

i think that spinosaurus was a phase b attraction for jurassic park but he is never brought to the park because of the isla nublar incidentMarkosaurus 1 (talk) 13:22, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

What if the Spinosaurus was made in Sorna to go to Nublar, but InGen needed to test if it was safe enough to use as an attracion in the park because its awesome power. Then when they discovered it was too powerful for the park, they let it live out the rest of its days in Sorna. Sirmooasaurus Awsomi (talk) 22:22, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Spinosaurus Actual Size
In some stuff, the spinosaurus is said to be 30ft long, in others, they say the Spino's length is 42ft, then in more stuff, Spino is said to be 60ft, in other stuff, Spino is said to be 72ft. I think Spino's length is the 72ft and 60ft because in 1914 (not sure if right year or not), spinosaurus agypticus was discovered, and estimated length was 60ft long, then its bone were blown up during WWII. After that sometime in the 80s, they discovered a lower jaw of spino, and that spino's estimated length was 72ft long, they named it Spinosaurus Morroconus, I just want to know what you guys think is the real one. Sirmooasaurus Awsomi (talk) 22:22, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

I've seen estimates all the way to 60ft long, but most are somwhere in the upper 40's, somewhere around 45-50ft in length. Fredrich von Huene in 1926, Don Glut in 1982, and Greg Paul in 1988 all listed it as 49ft long, while François Therrien and Donald Henderson in 2007 restudied Dal Sasso's 2005 estimates (where he came to the extreme 59ft estimates) on spinosaurid skull length determining size. Unlike Dal Sasso, who assumed Suchomimus and Spinosaurus had the same body proportions (this is why assumptions can be dangerous :P), Therrien and Henderson looked at a larger variety of theropod skull to body ratios to make their estimates, and like others before them found estimates on the upper 40's range. Take a look at this diagram:



Note that Dal Sasso's reconstruction isn't actually 175cm long when measured in the standard way (Pmx - Qj aka premaxilla (nose tip) to quadratojugal (back of the jaw). The 175cm that Del Sasso et al. published refers to the longest point of the skull, which in the case of Spinosaurus, happens to be the back of the TOP jaw, or squamosal bone. This is why Therrein and Henderson 'downsized' (more like corrected) MSNM V4047's skull length for their size estimates.

But frankly, the largest factor in preventing Spinosaurus from becoming both 60ft monstrosities is the environment, something that is as important to studying as the fossils themselves. Spinosaurus has two major terrestrial competitors: medium-sized terrestrial predator Torvosaurus and apex terrestrial predator Carcharodontosaurus. Spinosaurus literally does not have the room to grow to such a size. It was likely eating gigantic fish, with scraps on the side. Now, does that mean that this sort of environment can support a 55ft Spinosaurus? Yes, but within reason. Not every dinosaur grows to it's max, fossil evidence supports this. Tyrannosaurus, for example, can grow up to 43ft, but the average based on fossil evidence is 38-40ft. Not every animal reaches it's maximum, as I've explained. There's competition for resources and mates, and these competitions can result in the death or severe injury of one of the competitors.

And finally, Spinosaurus marocannus has not been considered a valid taxon since the coing of the nomen by Russell in 1996. The specimen attributed as S. marocannus were later found to have been misestimated and thus the name is considered as likely a junior synonym to Spinosaurus aegypticus. 22:49, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Torvosaurus lived with Spinosaurus? Jurassic Park Treasury (talk) 22:53, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Oops, no. I meant Deltadromeus. -- 22:57, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

The actual Spinosaurus in JP3.. called Spino according to the directors was 70 feet long(roughly 21.336 meters) about 20 feet tall at it's crest and 12 tons. They say 12 here but in real life it was estimated to be at most 18 tons

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTT-pew6MVohdPnLPFJKNsDbgUn9cI5jc7-HRx5V72yUVZ1ks8i1Q

Therefor Spino was the biggest carnivorous Dinosaur ingen ever created, including I.Rex. As shown here against the 14.5ft tall T.Rex Young Adult, Spino is MUCH larger.

http://cinefex.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/T-Rex_Spinosaurus-1024x437.jpg

QuakingStar (talk) 06:35, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

We can't know this because it is possible InGen recreated Gigantosaurus. Anonimo777 (talk) 10:30, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

Even in real life Spinosaurus was bigger than Giganotosaurus and 'Carcharodontosaurus the JP3 Spino had a confirmed 70 feet max length and towered over a 14.5 feet tall T-Rex Sub-Adult. It was more than 20 feet tall making it the biggest Dino InGen ever created, and I see exactly why they left it on Isla Sorna instead of bringing it to Nublar, because it was too much.. shown by how it busted right through that huge fence with its body alone. Somebody needs to add it to its page 72.83.142.226 04:29, June 18, 2015 (UTC)'

Here is my conclusion: Spinosaurus was 60 ft long, possibly even 78 ft long, and I think it outclasses Giganotosaurus and T-Rex in every way. As for the discussion about Spinosaurus VS Indominus rex, I think Spinosaurus would win. If it fought Vastatasaurus rex, it would probably kill it. This is my opinion and I personally think it is the most accurate. BETTER BELIEVE.

Spinosaurusrex, July 2015 008.59.

movie mini series?
The "movie mini series" sounds like fanon because I doubt that a spino and a trex could be that anamorphic in the Jurassic Park universe.4DJONG 15:33, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I've seen this how many times? and never thought to research. It's written so poorly I should have omitted it on those grounds alone. Nice catch--YingYang.png My Name Is Tom (Talk / Edits) 19:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

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