Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26275013-20150520002224/@comment-109.175.232.192-20150613005314

Ganbarvgad wrote: 109.175.232.192 wrote: Ganbarvgad wrote: 109.175.232.192 wrote: Ganbarvgad wrote: 109.175.232.192 wrote: Ganbarvgad wrote: 109.175.232.192 wrote: Ganbarvgad wrote: 109.175.232.192 wrote: No it's simply down to humans having a negative effect on the dinosaur population as in JP they tried to regulate their numbers by genetically engineering them as female, bred them in captivity and tried to control them and exploit them as theme park monsters going as far as to create the lysine deficiency fail safe which would kill them should they break free whereas in TLW:JP Hammond notices that despite all that they have flourished since InGen moved off the island and life has found a way. This is why he wants to send Dr Malcolm to Site B to document the animals in their natural habitat to prove to the government and the board of directors at InGen that they should leave the islands alone and protect them such as making them one giant nature preserve but the board want to captialise on their assets so Ludlow goes to capture dinosaurs so they can be brought to the mainland and put in a smaller variation of the park. Hammond has a major revelation between JP and TLW:JP in that he recognises his original motives and by extent InGen's as completely wrong in putting the creatures on display and seeks to protect them and spends the most part of that interim period blocking the boards attempts to set up another Jurassic Park which is partially out of respect for the deaths of Gennaro, Arnold and Muldoon and also that he admits to himself that they cannot contain them. He has created them and does not want them destroyed or exploited so its only right that he would campaign for them to be left alone to thrive in their own fashion. yeah, i figured human prescence would have a negative effect on them , but i didn't think it was all of what you said , at 1st , i thought it was what i said I mean in all honesty it is perfectly plausible for humans to cause an epidemic or mass mutation amongst the dinosaurs but it would most likely be InGen themselves (or Masrani's InGen subsidiary) that interact with the dinosaurs and InGen has only ever really looked to exploiting the dinosaurs as an attraction for a theme park so I wouldn't think they would want to harm the animals so long as they could make a profit out of them otherwise they would probably do what they do in the novel and naplam bomb the island to kill them off quickly. i just figured human prescence alone would be enough to make the creatures sick or deformed, also , let's not get crazy Crazy?

Unless the humans were purposefully doing something, then their mere presence alone wouldn't affect the animals I mean unless they physically infected the dinosaurs then, they would cause sickness or deformities but if they are just co-existing with the dinosaurs then I don't see any lasting repurcussions for the dinosaurs though anybody who did co-exist with the dinosaurs would find surviving to be difficult with the amount of predators running around. So I wouldn't say human presence is a problem its more human interference I think Hammond is getting at as he's more than happy to send a team in to study and survey the animals but they are simply doing just that studying them for research purposes they aren't getting involved with the dinosaurs or rather they shouldn't be getting involved with the dinosaurs. They will at some point have some interraction with the animals but they aren't doing so maliciously whereas in TLW:JP film if you like Peter Ludlow is there to capture and contain different members of different species to bring back as an attraction which would robably affect the dinosaurs as creatures in captivity have shorter life spans than those that are wild. i was just saying ingen wouldn't destroy the island or the dinosaurs Ahh, yeah I agree, they wouldn't destroy their assets. also, i don't see how captivity affects a creature's lifespan That's more difficult to answer as there isn't any real sort of evidence as to how that happens but there are statistics that show Killer Whales in the wild live considerably longer lives (Males 60 to 70 years, Females 80 to 100+) than those in SeaWorld (30 to 50 years).

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Number 4 is pretty messed up plus a high proportion of current killer whales in SeaWorld have the genes of Tillikum who is known for killing several trainers and has been considered by some to have become psychotic to a degree whilst in captivity. This is because apparently some training methods used would subject the whales to punishment if they didn't perform a trick correctly and when Tillikum was younger he would often make a wrong move and all the whales would suffer for it so the older, bigger whales would "rake" him with their teeth causing injury so Tillikum in particular was the victim of physical abuse and injury which may have effected him severely. It's also been noted that when he killed Dawn Brancheau it has been linked to both frustration at performing continuously and doing some moves for an extended period of time so he wouldn't get fed for that trick but also it's been suggested that his frustration led to him deciding to punish Dawn in a manner he has been punished I can't remember exactly but it links back to how he was trained and sadly Dawn was killed.

Linking that back to Jurassic Park we know that the Big One in the original took over the pack and became the Alpha killing all but two of the other raptors and its weird that she would kill her pack members for no apparent reason. We also know she constantly tries to escape such as when she kills Jophery and getting her subordinates to attack the fences when the feeders came around. The Indominus Rex also exhibits the escapist behaviour in JW so from this inference we can presue the animals are aware of their captivity and are unhappy with that. I don't think they are necessarily mistreated by InGen under John Hammond or Simon Masrani as they don't seem to be denied food or forced to do things (Can't really say the mosasaur is forced to do anything, Owen's raptors don't really seem tame they have a respectful relationship with him) so it's more likely the confinement issue which would arguably distress the animal and make it more aggressive. I don't know if you've seen JW yet but (don't worry it's not really a spoiler) they use a crane to lower food into the Indominus Rex's paddock because it's too dangerous to feed her via handlers and Owen mentions that the Indominus Rex's only positive relationship is with the feeding crane.

Hope I've somewhat helped with that point but it is a difficult question to provide any diffinitive answer for it. that's a pretty weird relationship, even for a dinosaur Haha yeah though it does give it a bit of a disturbed state though arguably when it comes to I Rex since she eats her sibling she was probably unstable anyway due to the gene splicing used to create her.