Thread:Theferretman21/@comment-31330278-20190725213756

Continuing our thread:

1. I get your point. You feel like a took our argument to open territory? I can respect that. So here i am. In a new private place. New topic: What do you think about "Claire's Sanctuary"? I personally liked it. The ouranosaurs are cute and it was nice to see a normal ankylosaurid for a change.

2. Not quite my opinion, for the following major reasons. I have many reasons, but here are the major ones:

A. Grant: he could be better than Malcolm and Sarah. His taking responsibility is a better approache to life than "i told you so". Except Malcolm went through character development in part 2 and became responsible. As annoying as some might think, he was actually right in everything. If it was up to him, Nick could never do the crap he did. Grant, on the other hand, went through decay. It was sad. Eric was the only thing kept him whole.

B. The supporting characters: First of all, "The Lost World". I know many hardcore fans didn't liked that movie, but i'm not a hardcore fan of anything, so you can speak to me fluently. Now, Everyone, even people who know nothing about the franchise, will agree that Tembo is more heroic than many protagonists combined. He's definitely a better character than Amanda, Paul, the mercinaries hired by them and Brennan. The reasons should be clear. I know Amanda got over her stupidity for saving her son, but it makes up for nothing she did. She done worse even than Nick. At least Nick can claim he prevented Ludlow from bringing some dinosaurs to the mainland. People can sympathize Ludlow until the rapture, but he was just incompetent enough to lose control, without any wish to redeem himself. Amanda was stupid enough to open the pteranodon cage, and played right into Hoskins' hands. Long story short, this woman is one of the three people who created I-Rex. Franklin, for example, would never do that. Not to mention Billy took eggs of the worst dinosaur possible. Secondly, "Jurassic World" segment. Even if we disregard the fact Owen is what Grant always wanted to be and Claire is very much like a female version of what Hammond was in his youth, including learning from mistakes and having a vision, there's the more interesting theme. JP3 had not theme. JW and FK had the themes of education (I-Rex and Indoraptor became what they are due to neglection on I-Rex's case and abuse on Indoraptor's case. Raising them better could've make them normal. Blue and her sisters were raised by a good man, and therefore became what raptors should be), be real about what one wish for (Wu phrased it perfectly), the duty to respect others (Hoskins' wish to take what he can without respecting anyone else worked just as you would expect), the rating culture and its damages (more teeth. Not said) and many more. I won't mention anything about creating a rock you can't lift, because the other movies and the novels dealt with that as well. Thirdly, the characters in JW and FK had vision. Even Mills and Hoskins' cruel visions are count. None of JP3 characters can claim that.

C. Where the realism lies: That was not the subtext. They wanted to say that humans are the real monsters. They didnt said that neutral is good and hybrid is bad. They said that the hybrids could be good if only they were raised right. That's still more realistic than a freaking spinosaurus hybrid whose much of his powers are bad writing. If anything, I-Rex is more realistic than Spino-Rex. Of course she would be injured when fighting Rexy and Blue combined. That's what happens in real life at such battles. Indoraptor is more realistic as well. He's just like those cruel dogs who kill children after years of abuse. Spino-Rex was just a creature. Unless you interpret him as a creature who want to take revenge from mankind after being abandoned and ignored, i'm not sure his obssessions about killing humans serves a reasonable meaning. Michael Circhton himself admited that the genius raptors from part 3, no matter how realistic/unrealistic they are, were less realistic than the other raptors. They are based on the genius green raptors from the first novel. That was his reason to create the teenage pack of JP2 novel and film. Because raptors are not likely to become functioning animals without being raised. I admit the concept of saving dinosaurs from a volcano isn't too realistic, but the characters' reaction were realistic. In part 3, Grant and Eric were the only ones who realized the severity of the situation. In part 5, people mostly realized it, and those who didn't were either fooled by Mills (people like him are real. Much more dangerous than Spino-Rex) or were too busy at solving the mess Mills and the scaly rottweiler he and Wu created. Another unrealistic aspect of part 3 is that the soldiers came to save Grant the group werent thinking about tracking down Spino-Rex. They had the real technology to kill him, not just a couple of guns and a small band of idiot soldiers. At least Masrani can claim he wanted to make one last profit before being forced to kill I-Rex. The army can't. A creature who was never meant to be on the park can't be too profitable. My point about realism is less mute than it might sound.

D. The production: As you know, the production of part 3 was chaotic at a good day. It's a wonder they even managed to do anything. They dropped all sort of good ideas and scarpped everything two week before the deadline. The other parts had done better than that on that aspect. Colin Trevorrow did a better job than the architects of part 3. He knows the meaning of using good ideas and working like a professional. The good people behind part 3 were falling apart. They were like in season 8 of "Games Of Thrones", where Cersie and Jaime died in each other's arms when the building collapsed on them.

3. What i'm sure about is that the rule of awesome doesn't apply for our conversation right now. We both got pissed off, and that's not cool. We're grownups who should handle a civilized discussion about out mutual franchise, and it seems we weren't ourselves. From here, it's either come down and finish this conversation while agree on disagreement, or moving on to other topics. What would you like better? It's important to say that i'm usually open for opinions, and willing to talk about many things and have as many conversations as both want. 